From: | Tamblyn, Nathan <N.Tamblyn@exeter.ac.uk> |
To: | Andrew Tettenborn <a.m.tettenborn@swansea.ac.uk> |
michael furmston <michaelfurmston@hotmail.com> | |
Andrew Newcombe <newcombe@uvic.ca> | |
obligations@uwo.ca | |
Date: | 28/02/2018 10:30:25 UTC |
Subject: | Re: Damages for killing a pig adopted from the SPCA |
If I pay someone to take away my rubbish to the recycling centre, and I find they have dumped it in the sea, can I not complain, even though either way I no longer have the rubbish? Not that I am equating putting down a cat with disposing of rubbish. What if I wanted my father buried at sea, and I found out that he had been cremated? (What with these new direct disposal companies.) Either way I was disposing of a dead body. What if I pay someone else to look after my grandmother, and they don't? The SPCA / Just William have contracted for a service, and not got it. Surely there must be some come-uppance? There might even be an analogy between the Just William example and the objections about hospitals keeping body parts instead of disposing of them.
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Nathan Tamblyn
MA (Oxford) LLM PhD (Cambridge) Barrister FHEA
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I'm not sure about loss of amenity. What is the amenity of a dead cat or a live guinea-pig in someone else's possession?
Andrew
The deposit is a simple solution - as long as it is not so large as to put off would-be adopters.
How about loss of amenity damages? The SPCA / Just William did not get what they expected of the other party.
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Nathan Tamblyn
MA (Oxford) LLM PhD (Cambridge) Barrister FHEA
Associate Professor of the Common Law
University of Exeter Law School
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From: michael furmston <michaelfurmston@hotmail.com>
Sent: 28 February 2018 08:23:46
To: Tamblyn, Nathan; Andrew Newcombe; obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Damages for killing a pig adopted from the SPCAI have been thinking about the pig
The practical problem is that the first time it happens ,it is so unlikely
that one would be unlikely to guard against it
But now that we have been warned how about taking a deposit , returnable at any time if pig is returned in good condition.
This would protect the pig and avoid any need for litigation
Michael Furmston
From: Tamblyn, Nathan <N.Tamblyn@exeter.ac.uk>
Sent: 27 February 2018 09:18
To: Andrew Newcombe; obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Damages for killing a pig adopted from the SPCAVery interesting. I would have thought that liquidated damages would be a sensible way to go; the case law does talk about their appropriateness in cases where quantifying damages would otherwise be very difficult. Of course, the figure has to be a genuine attempt at estimating damages. Perhaps it might include a small sum to reflect staff distress. Better yet, perhaps also the wasted costs of the SPCA preparing the animal for adoption (bringing it back to health, vaccination, admin costs etc).
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Nathan Tamblyn
MA (Oxford) LLM PhD (Cambridge) Barrister FHEA
Associate Professor of the Common Law
University of Exeter Law School
For office hours and to book an appointment, please visit: https://calendly.com/n-tamblyn
From: Andrew Newcombe <newcombe@uvic.ca>
Sent: 26 February 2018 22:31:52
To: obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: Damages for killing a pig adopted from the SPCADear colleagues
Some of you may have seen this story: https://globalnews.ca/news/4042125/pig-adopted-bc-spca-killed-eaten-owners/
One of my students adopted a guinea pig from the SPCA over Christmas (which he and his girlfriend have named Estoppel) and his SPCA adoption contract provides as follows: ""If during the first year of ownership I am unable to keep or otherwise provide for this animal I will return it to the BC SPCA and will neither give it away nor have it destroyed except on the advice of a veterinarian.”
Assuming the same provision applies and was breached, what damages, if any, could the SPCA claim for breach of the provision to return the pig. While there could be a restitutionary claim for the value of the pig (or disengorgement of the benefit of the BBQ …), I am more interested in a claim for other types of damages. Courts have granted mental distress damages for breaches of pet adoption agreements (in Weinberg v. Connors, a court found a breach of a cat adoption contract, where the person adopting the cat failed to advise the plaintiff of the location of the cat (https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/1994/1994canlii7337/1994canlii7337.html?autocompleteStr=WEINBERG%20V%20CONNORS%20%20%20&autocompletePos=1). The problem is that the “pet” cases where mental distress damages have been granted have involved natural persons. Is there any authority for the proposition that an organization like the SPCA could maintain a claim for mental distress damages? Do you think in this situation, the SPCA could claim under another head of damages, perhaps for loss of reputation?
If the SPCA were to contract on its own behalf, as well as its staff, do you think it could claim damages for the mental distress suffered by its staff?
What about having a liquidated damages clause of say $2500 for breach of the return obligation to compensate for loss of reputation and emotional distress to SPCA staff and members? Would this ever stand up to court scrutiny?
I would be most interested in your views.
Best regards
Andrew
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